yeah i kind of have that issue with vanguard stuff sometimes...one of my other games had a memshare event specifically pertaining to someone's biggest victory and i'm just like. how the fuck do i explain ren helping divide and absorb the seed of void so it can never threaten anyone again in a concise manner that makes sense. how. but yes i'm cool with human stick to set up for things later, it can be an awkward contrast with villain ren delightedly mindfucking people

honestly i had to logistics the memshare as "ren is too curious about amegahara to back out" because otherwise he'd want nothing to do with it either, rip